xrra aftermath....

[InDaShop]

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Nolen, you are SPOT ON! Kelly and I discussed him not riding the last 2 runs. To be honest, I'll admit it, I told him to ride. I do know I pick good lines. I think that was evidence in my 1st run. I just needed a 2nd opinion and someone cracking the whip. That could surely get fixed with a COMM system "$$$".
The already to winch setup as well. We had the Tree Saver already hooked and ready to go on the 3rd run when I saw Brian Shirleys spotter shoot through the windshield on the run in front of us. And the fact we winched twice in the run before.
As for watching and walking the course, you aint kidding. How many guys tried that wall where P and Mike Moze rolled after the banners were moved to the right 15 feet? a TON!
We are lucky, Bones, and Cabot are wrenching machines, including Haley. Those guys did the lionsshare of wrenching on my car between races. And we had to fix something EVERY race.


Now struts. I'm not sold either. I'm running airshocks, and front bump cans, with a sway bar in the back. Not sure if you noticed but I swayed all the fawk over the place. maybe I need a stiffer tortion on my sway bar? One thought was to run struts only in the rear. Without a major amount of work I'll have trouble mounting rear bump cans, and I knew I needed them before this past weekend, and now I HAVE TO HAVE them.

 

[P]

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Were home now, windy as usual. Thsnkd to all who helped us out this weekend. When you are down someone will always step up and help! Im gonna do another motor this week. Levis rig isnt as bad as it looks. East people are great to be around!

Man it was great to meet you, the first time I saw your rig was Jellico last year and you and the caddy impressed the hell out of me
You and Levi are top notch and I wish you both all the luck this season !!

 

[BamaTJ]

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I was not impressed with the struts at all, waste of money IMO, your suspension setup would be the least of my worries. Most of it is just strategy man, I agree with all of what Nolen says. Watch the runs if you can, you learn a lot doing that. From being on the course I knew all the lines, there were tons of guys that tried the big wall instead of going around and tried the left of the big rock wall that Adam broke on instead of nailing the line that was working. Adam actually nailed that line dead nuts, which confused the **** out of me why he didn't make it. Get one of those intercoms and get Kelly on the course to spot and talk to you. Pops and Adam talked on the headseat for about an hour before his last run, and he nailed it, just did not pull that wall. There is no need for the spotter to be in the car IMO. Takes too much time to get them in and out and adds weight, although not as much as the driver in your case Wyatt

By one of those winch line extensions that just clips into your hook, that way Kelly can just run around with it in hand and clip it in once you need it. When not in use it is a suck down still and requires minimal effort to make the switch.

 

[blacksheep10]

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I am not sold on the struts. I would do coilovers for the price and a sway bar. Just my .02

As far as strategy is concerned, I would do some things different. This is not directed at anyone in particular, but most would apply. Just my opinion, I am not hating.

All of the top 6 teams had the spotter outside of the car. They could get things done faster if they were not having to unstrap and such...no neck brace.

I would keep 20' of winch rope out and wadded up in teh seat or the bumper. The Rockware team did this and was able to winch 2 times and still be top 6. They would just toss the rope on the ground and race out the course. Might need to learn how to tie rope is it gets caught up or have a couple spares. Time is $$

I would try to get out on the course and watch and have some Ninja's fixing my jumk between races. There were some great lines guys missed because they were wrenching and not watching.

Finally, practice. I mean go wheeling. The good drivers out there have years behind the wheel and know a good line from a bad line.

Rockmidget out.....

I didn't get any hate out of that post?
that's all solid **** there. I agree on spotter out of the rig...if you have helmet com and a nimble/fast spotter. I'm now fat and slow and didn't even see it coming. Wow, I could still run like 7 months ago ??? laughing1
I pretty much missed every line because I was either wrenching, talking to bama guys I hadn't seen in months or meeting new people in the industry, which is a part of why I'm so excited about this ****. Me being in the ride this time was good. wyatt couln't see **** out of his right side and when up on a rock pile, its next to impossible to see a spotter in front of you or hear them over the helmet and ****. I could yell strategy to him and on the last run was pulling the cutting brakes a lot. we have just NEVER ridden together with him driving. literally. I feel that stiffening up your front is actually priority 1. that's how I cured most of my body roll on the sheep. stiffened up the front a bunch. sway bar it up there or stiffen up the shocks. that buggy was set up for werock, this speed sidehill **** isn't feelin it. rear bumps would be nice as well. On stiffening up the rear, moving the bottom of the rear shock out as far as possible and sending the top in a bit so that they have some stability built in, then bumping the rate up will help. that's a lot to do in 2 weeks, and I bet the suspension stays untouched this time. just a lack of time matter.
anyway, I have so much whirling in my mind that I cna't ramble it all out now, except, wow, what a weekend.

 

[6uldv8]

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By one of those winch line extensions that just clips into your hook, that way Kelly can just run around with it in hand and clip it in once you need it. When not in use it is a suck down still and requires minimal effort to make the switch.

I might be picturing that wrong but I think you'd have to do something different because you can't winch your hook. I was thinking the same thing when that dawned on me.

 

[InDaShop]

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Matt help me out. I dont know what this extension thing is. Are you talking like 5feet on the drum and use as suckdown, and the spotter runs around with 40 feet looped up on his back?

 

[Rokcrler]

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Got some pix from a friend... they didnt stay long but heres the album
http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e63/rokcrler/XRRA%20Grayrock%20April%2019%202008/

Umm... hes.. SAFE!

Later.

 

[John Galbreath Jr.]

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They would just toss the rope on the ground and race out the course. Might need to learn how to tie rope is it gets caught up or have a couple spares. Time is $$

They told us on Sunday that we could not do that, and it would be addressed at future events. Dragging the winch line will not be allowed according to Mike.

 

[POPS58]

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Thanks for the video Cole.That showed Adam just what happened and what to do to fix the problem.No,I'm not fired yet.He seen how he cleared the After he backed up and hit it hard the front left toped over and SNAP.Not sure why it broke that easy.He gave the broken piece to a young feller that found it for him.Wish we had checked it good for a void,That is pretty common sometimes.Need to do a little more testing on them.You can learn alot from a little video.Time to get ready for the next one,or maybe two in a row.EVERYBODY TAKE A SHORT BREAK AND START WRENCHING ;D

 

[wngrog]

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They told us on Sunday that we could not do that, and it would be addressed at future events. Dragging the winch line will not be allowed according to Mike.

That makes sence...I guess it could be a safety hazzard. Keeping it free would be nice but like most, I like to have my winch on the axle for climbs.........

May need to figure out a suck down system on a racer like Jimbro his on his with the cylinder or a dedicated winch.

 

[POPS58]

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Just roll it up good and stuff it in with the driver,seen this done thousands of times.

 

[wngrog]

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Just roll it up good and stuff it in with the driver,seen this done thousands of times.

Yeah, but the problem is always that they cannot get the rope off the hook on the axle and then if they do, since it was used as a suckdown it is all jammed up and wont spool out.

Would be cool if you had a dedicated winch that was for winching and it was set up to throw out and then ball it up and throw it back in the cockpit.

 

[BamaTJ]

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Matt help me out. I dont know what this extension thing is. Are you talking like 5feet on the drum and use as suckdown, and the spotter runs around with 40 feet looped up on his back?

I was talking about this, but DV8 is right it would only help you until the hook got to the fairlead, which makes it pointless.

http://winchline.com/winchline_extension.htm

Guess it only works in my mind.

 

[Speeding]

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Biggest time saver when winching IMO is have a hook that'll clip, no clevis crap. unscrewing that pin takes a lot of time.

 

[wontwork]

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Yeah, but the problem is always that they cannot get the rope off the hook on the axle and then if they do, since it was used as a suckdown it is all jammed up and wont spool out.

Would be cool if you had a dedicated winch that was for winching and it was set up to throw out and then ball it up and throw it back in the cockpit.

Why not put 2 winches on the front? 1 to pull the front end down and 1 to winch with. Use an atv(Kansas word)or fourwheeler(Alabama word) winch to pull the front down. They don't weigh that much and don't take up that much room.

 

[bigsilly]

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Why not put 2 winches on the front? 1 to pull the front end down and 1 to winch with. Use an atv(Kansas word)or fourwheeler(Alabama word) winch to pull the front down. They don't weigh that much and don't take up that much room.

Exactly, that is what I would do.

 

[Juan_Hong_Loe]

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Why not put 2 winches on the front? 1 to pull the front end down and 1 to winch with. Use an atv(Kansas word)or fourwheeler(Alabama word) winch to pull the front down. They don't weigh that much and don't take up that much room.

If you do use an atv winch and decide to gowith warn, and it's not a new warn atv winch, make sure its a 3000lb or bigger. The 2.5s have plastic end housing for some dumb reason and any jerking on it will strip out the housing. Believe me we repair about 3 a week due to this problem.

 

[InDaShop]

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If you do use an atv winch and decide to gowith warn, and it's not a new warn atv winch, make sure its a 3000lb or bigger. The 2.5s have plastic end housing for some dumb reason and any jerking on it will strip out the housing. Believe me we repair about 3 a week due to this problem.

Yep, thats how my rear winch became a 6k'r. The 3700 Warns just do not hold up.

 

[Juan_Hong_Loe]

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Yep, thats how my rear winch became a 6k'r. The 3700 Warns just do not hold up.

Yeah, I don't think I would ever use a Warn Works Winch (a.k.a. Hoist) for a winch of any kind on a buggy. I've seen the inside of them too and don't know how they hold up either.

 

[Welderd]

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FYI winchline will hook competitors up - give em a call

you can get "soft" eyes on the tree savers or winch extensions
then get a soft eye on your winchline and just suck it in the winch
Problem is there's never enough room on a comp winch drum

I've got 80' of line on the winch and then a 3' extension or 5' tree saver but we'll still have to use a clevis

I'm running the line thru the fairlead down to a pulley on the axle then back to the clevis. My pully is attached with a hitch pin and it will just pull off and then pull line

If winchline doesn't hook you up let me know and I'll get you a discount thru me - sorry I missed the race looked like lots of fun!