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Elbe on the chopping block?

The_Shocker said:
How much do you think Reiter is worth to DNR? Maybe private donors could get it transferred to the city of Gold Bar?
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The "old" Reiter land is worth alot because of the mineral rights and the fact that some of it is owned by a private timber Co. that will want alot of money or better land in trade.
 
One response already, I'm impressed.

Hi Chad,

Thank you for your message. Mark Mauren, cc'd above will be more than happy to discuss this with you in detail. I can tell you that we are working very hard to protect the parts of our budget that you refer to below (e.g. NOVA) for many of the reasons that you have articulated. In addition, we are working very hard on legislation that could result in keeping facilities open, and perhaps even improving them. We appreciate very much your interest and all your hard work volunteering on state lands. With continued help and engagement from folks like you, we may see a new era of recreation funding and programming emerge from the great recession.

Thanks again,

Heath Packard
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Boiler plate I know, but still nice to get a reaction even at 9:30PM
 
mark said:
I have never figured out the big push for "parks", big waste or money IMO. Old Reiter was just a bunch of TRAILS. Give folks a semi-decent, level-ish place to park and stage, then a bunch of trails to run. Signage is nice but can be done on volunteer/trail-stewards budget (i.e volunteer labor and funding, maybe to a chosen "standard"). I don't need a shitter, I don't need a "picnic area", I don't need "improved camp sites", if I want those I'll go to a State Park. ORV trails are for recreation, if someone wants to spend the night the pitch a tent in the parking area or bring and RV.


Bathrooms and "improvements" are a waste of money. Blase a trail using a little bit of common seance. Let the users "harden" it over time with he AHJ's blessing, put in gate-keepers or some sort to keep out the dumpers and let it be.


IHO, other than a couple trails that maybe were where they shouldn't have been, "old" Reiter, even in all its "over use" and "Ugliness" too NO monetary input from the state or county and didn't destroy the world. And a fair amount of users took care of it when it really needed it. So me it seems once the "government" got involved in the aspect, it got more difficult, burned more people out, and just cost a **** load of money. When will the DNR and other legislature realize that????
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Problem is your thinking like a user(logicly) and not a government agency(idiocracy).

I see what your saying and you like me we remeber the days when there really were "trails" not large areas to use.

But when you look at it from another standpoint what about the user who likes to load the camper and go for a weekend with there trailered rig? Is a "trail" going to do it?
 
japerry said:
Kevin is right about the vehicle, it is not calculated in the pay figures I found. Just Gross+Benefits. Her salary was 2994/mo + benefits.

Anywho, all that said, an E+E person for a park is not 100k. A regional patrol officer isn't even that expensive. That said, walker as it is ran today would require about 200k/yr.

I do like the idea of trails instead of parks.... this is what pretty much goes on in Canada.
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Sorry, I've been quoted 100-125k/year BY the DNR.

Things that I am sure factor in to that figure:

Wages
Benefits
Vehicle
Vehicle maintenance
radios
dirt bike
dirt bike maintenance
fuel used
training
overtime

You start adding all the little crap up that's backing an employee like that up, and it's not hard to reach 100-125k/year.
 
crash said:
Problem is your thinking like a user(logicly) and not a government agency(idiocracy).

I see what your saying and you like me we remeber the days when there really were "trails" not large areas to use.

But when you look at it from another standpoint what about the user who likes to load the camper and go for a weekend with there trailered rig? Is a "trail" going to do it?
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There's this.

But there's also the reality that when you have an area that attracts more than xxx or whatever the figure is per day, they are probably required by regulation to have restroom facilities. And I'm sure there's other examples of that.


Or you end up with something like spider lake in Rubicon.
 
Money Mark said:
These types of users are examples of who would be required to buy the pass:

Bird watching
Boating
Camping
Canoeing, kayaking
Cross-country skiing
Dog training
Equestrian
Fishing
Geocaching
Hang gliding / paragliding
Hiking
Hunting
Mountain biking
Off-road vehicle riding
Snowmobiling
Snowshoeing
Water skiing
Wildlife viewing

We'd ALL pay for it.
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Seems like this is a prime example of " if you cant all play along, then NOBODY gets to play".... Maybe Iam wrong.. But this little bit of news puts a :flipoff: on my face...

Remember who you vote for and what you forgot to vote for...

Pay to play?:eeek:

HELL YA!!:awesomework: OR move out of state and wheel NEW trails...:cool:
 
japerry said:
I'll pay my ticket and go on my merry way. Why? because the amount of time, fuel, and energy I spend trying to do things legit is costing me WAY more than some silly tickets.
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I had this conversation today with a certain person you might know :;
 
Those who want to talk about running illegal trails/breaki9ng the law go ahead and do it--but you won't be doing it here. Go someplace else.
 
Spanaway Mudder said:
Are we gunna hear bout potential "fish" that magically might come swimming up the drainage creeks now to spawn?:eeek:
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Your thinking too much on a micro scale, think macro.

But, thats the problem, people, especially the ones in managment positions or the ones fighting against ORV recreation sometimes think too micro, while not looking at the whole picture.
 
dirtygoat said:
Straight from the horses mouth...
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I got a different one but pretty much the same response.

Thank you for communicating your concerns regarding recreation opportunities in the Elbe State Forest managed by the Washington State Department of Natural Resources (DNR). These are difficult times and all state programs, including DNR
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